Therefore in the East they do not become disciples from childhood. Firstly their parents would not allow them to. They become disciples at that time when they have already the experience of life. And then they do not become initiated until they have found that teacher in whom they have confidence; and when they have found him, they do not change. Their moral is that in whose hand they have taken Bayat, initiation, there they remain. Some have to wait a long time, some at once find their guide, it differs. When they have found the murshid and when they have taken the initiation, they go before the murshid as a child. They forget all that they have learnt before. They ask him questions, certainly, about something they have not understood, but they never question what the murshid has said or argue about it.