I thought, 'What interest has Houdini in it?' The whole interest Houdini has in it is to make a sensation and make his performance known, also a monetary interest. The man who is after Truth does not pursue after falsehood, a man who is after Truth has no interest in it. He is doubting if he can find Truth in the garden of falsehood somewhere. People say, "Is he a Fakir?" It is a false Fakir. Would you think that a true Fakir is so little evolved as to disbelieve in the hereafter and the soul? Houdini disbelieves; he has no belief. He is in the pursuit and wants to find belief somewhere, if he can; at the same time material gain because it makes him known.