Can you hold one thought in your mind, keeping all other thoughts away? Can you keep your mind free from all thoughts, from all pictures? We cannot. A thousand thoughts, a thousand pictures come and go. By mastering this, they master all. Then he is awake upon this plane and upon that plane. Then this becomes sleep, and the other the wakeful state. People may say, the mystics, the Sufis are great occultists, very psychic people. That is not their aim. Their aim is the true consciousness, the life, which lies beyond. Allah. When this is open to them, then all wisdom is open to the soul, and all the books, all the learning in the world becomes intellect before them. You may say: "Then the very lazy people who are always sleeping are all saints." No. The soul must experience on the earth also. It must learn what virtue is, it must learn to be virtuous.